So, I searched for RV Power Gate installation and got this very helpful video. The gentleman installing it addresses the clearance concern and he even uses a Camco plug as a reference. The device can be moved around when installing to ensure a proper fit.
Parks only have so much power and if a few campers use more than they should thecrest of us suffer. Then the park gets trashed in the reviews. All because some people think that RV parks have unlimited resources.
The pedestal was designed to service either a 30 OR 50 amp RV. It was not designed to charge an electric vehicle. The campground power system was not designed to charge electric vehicles. As for upgrading the system to charge electric vehicles, that would be very expensive for the owner. That cost would have to be passed onto the campers renting the site. Now everyone renting a site would be sharing the cost to charge the electric vehicle. Do you think you should help pay to charge someone else's electric vehicle you do not own and drive? I do not . I buy my gasoline, If you own and electric vehicle you should buy your electricity. For the record, I am not against electric vehicles. I think they have a place and should be used. I also think they should pay road tax as do gasoline vehicles when they buy gas. I also think there SHOULD NOT be a tax credit for purchasing one. These cars are expensive, everyone can not afford them. The person who can not afford one should not have to help subside the person who can.
Campgrounds need to operate their electrical systems within design parameters for safety, reliability, and consistent service to all users. If system design is such that both outlets can be used simultaneously, then the campground can decide how or if they meter the connection. Business models and pricing structures are based on predictions. And when real world differs, like the introduction of electric vehicles, then businesses have the right to adapt.
Because campgrounds are a business, until they install submettering at each camp site, they should limit how much power each camper uses because in business, you simply don't price yourself out of business. Way too many campers simply want to camp as cheaply as possible and the costs are going up due to some customers exceeding the cost to the campground owners. Sometimes I think some customers want more than what they pay for.
EVs - I think they should be surcharged upon registration, whether they intend to charge or not, because they will. If it's "Available" for their use, charge them. I can see someone unplugging their RV at night to charge the EV.
I am reminded of all the "Amenities" I have never used but was charged for; playgrounds, gyms, pools, meeting/lounge areas, etc. People being charged extra charge for pets, that cause no damage.
Accommodating the new toy of EVism will cost everyone.
it's like putting a 'Y' on the water spigot - nice to be able to access a second water source if needed, like a hose for washing the dog... I agree with only using the 30 or the 50, as long as there is a 15/20A duplex still available for a small supplemental load outside, like a fan in hot weather.
I feel that the NEC is ignoring how full campgrounds can be, even just a full weekend day on a hotter summer day can load the electrical distribution system due to air conditioning needs. On days near 90 degrees F the air conditioner may run for 5 hours straight, and that happens with many of the RV’s. The reduction factor should not cause brownout conditions to happen at peak loads during 100 percent occupancy on a hot day. Or a cold day too since many A/C’s are used as heat pumps. I was at the end of a circuit on a chilly morning and could not run the heat pump because the EMS device would trip out due to low voltage.
I’ve spoken to the NEC committee about this, but that type of change is a slow process. Plus it won’t affect existing campgrounds, only new campgrounds still in the design and permitting stage.
I understand. I worked in healthcare in hospitals for 42 years and the code revision process can be slower than a snail stuck in molasses in January. Electrical codes are hardly ever retroactive, but new codes may have an effect during times of renovation or problem solving.
The increase in EV vehicles certainly adds a challenge to campsite power grids and increases in electricity costs (to the campsite). If campsites did increase power capacity to allow for EVs to plug in, the costs would need to go to the camper, somehow. Perhaps a metered EV charging should be considered.
I go with the campground owner. What THEY want. Also, what about some of the metered "long term" pedestals? If you were paying the owner for what power you used, could you make use of all 3 plugs?
I e bee. To parks where 2 campsites use the same pedestal one on 30 and the other on 50. I’d rather see an additional charge is one site uses both 30 and 50. I believe many campgrounds need to invest in upgrading their electric grid.
Upgrading electrical grids is very expensive and we will pay for that. Plus, while they are upgrading them the campground would probably have to shut down.
I would worry that the campground was wired assuming that the max draw would be 50 amps rather than 80 and back-end breakers would pop or the wiring would overheat.
Concerned that the device overlap will not allow either plug to be fully inserted and cause high resistance with a partially inserted blade
They’ll send me a review sample if I ask for one…
Agreed. Looks like the 50 amp plug would not seat all the way in. And some of the 30s are large as well.
Campgrounds that are a private enterprise can impose their own rules. If you object, use your monetary vote to go elsewhere.
So, I searched for RV Power Gate installation and got this very helpful video. The gentleman installing it addresses the clearance concern and he even uses a Camco plug as a reference. The device can be moved around when installing to ensure a proper fit.
Parks only have so much power and if a few campers use more than they should thecrest of us suffer. Then the park gets trashed in the reviews. All because some people think that RV parks have unlimited resources.
https://youtu.be/5kXUzabDZy0?si=PflDF1x2d9LgK5bi
The pedestal was designed to service either a 30 OR 50 amp RV. It was not designed to charge an electric vehicle. The campground power system was not designed to charge electric vehicles. As for upgrading the system to charge electric vehicles, that would be very expensive for the owner. That cost would have to be passed onto the campers renting the site. Now everyone renting a site would be sharing the cost to charge the electric vehicle. Do you think you should help pay to charge someone else's electric vehicle you do not own and drive? I do not . I buy my gasoline, If you own and electric vehicle you should buy your electricity. For the record, I am not against electric vehicles. I think they have a place and should be used. I also think they should pay road tax as do gasoline vehicles when they buy gas. I also think there SHOULD NOT be a tax credit for purchasing one. These cars are expensive, everyone can not afford them. The person who can not afford one should not have to help subside the person who can.
Campgrounds need to operate their electrical systems within design parameters for safety, reliability, and consistent service to all users. If system design is such that both outlets can be used simultaneously, then the campground can decide how or if they meter the connection. Business models and pricing structures are based on predictions. And when real world differs, like the introduction of electric vehicles, then businesses have the right to adapt.
Because campgrounds are a business, until they install submettering at each camp site, they should limit how much power each camper uses because in business, you simply don't price yourself out of business. Way too many campers simply want to camp as cheaply as possible and the costs are going up due to some customers exceeding the cost to the campground owners. Sometimes I think some customers want more than what they pay for.
EVs - I think they should be surcharged upon registration, whether they intend to charge or not, because they will. If it's "Available" for their use, charge them. I can see someone unplugging their RV at night to charge the EV.
I am reminded of all the "Amenities" I have never used but was charged for; playgrounds, gyms, pools, meeting/lounge areas, etc. People being charged extra charge for pets, that cause no damage.
Accommodating the new toy of EVism will cost everyone.
it's like putting a 'Y' on the water spigot - nice to be able to access a second water source if needed, like a hose for washing the dog... I agree with only using the 30 or the 50, as long as there is a 15/20A duplex still available for a small supplemental load outside, like a fan in hot weather.
I feel that the NEC is ignoring how full campgrounds can be, even just a full weekend day on a hotter summer day can load the electrical distribution system due to air conditioning needs. On days near 90 degrees F the air conditioner may run for 5 hours straight, and that happens with many of the RV’s. The reduction factor should not cause brownout conditions to happen at peak loads during 100 percent occupancy on a hot day. Or a cold day too since many A/C’s are used as heat pumps. I was at the end of a circuit on a chilly morning and could not run the heat pump because the EMS device would trip out due to low voltage.
I’ve spoken to the NEC committee about this, but that type of change is a slow process. Plus it won’t affect existing campgrounds, only new campgrounds still in the design and permitting stage.
I understand. I worked in healthcare in hospitals for 42 years and the code revision process can be slower than a snail stuck in molasses in January. Electrical codes are hardly ever retroactive, but new codes may have an effect during times of renovation or problem solving.
I agree with the others about the 50 amp plug not being able to seat all the way. An RV park we go to a lot will not let anyone charge an EV.
Be aware that an EV with a 100kWH battery can easily cost the campground $15 or more for an overnight charge.
The increase in EV vehicles certainly adds a challenge to campsite power grids and increases in electricity costs (to the campsite). If campsites did increase power capacity to allow for EVs to plug in, the costs would need to go to the camper, somehow. Perhaps a metered EV charging should be considered.
Yes but only if the give a discount to 30 amp RV’s
I go with the campground owner. What THEY want. Also, what about some of the metered "long term" pedestals? If you were paying the owner for what power you used, could you make use of all 3 plugs?
I e bee. To parks where 2 campsites use the same pedestal one on 30 and the other on 50. I’d rather see an additional charge is one site uses both 30 and 50. I believe many campgrounds need to invest in upgrading their electric grid.
Upgrading electrical grids is very expensive and we will pay for that. Plus, while they are upgrading them the campground would probably have to shut down.
I would worry that the campground was wired assuming that the max draw would be 50 amps rather than 80 and back-end breakers would pop or the wiring would overheat.
Yes