I'm not interested in any of the electric stuff that is being shoved down our throats by the fed. All those EV's that are sitting on dealer lots unsold (as Joseph mentions) are because nobody wants them. And because they are too expensive, even with all of our tax dollars being used for rebates,
Sorry. All this EV stuff forced upon us by the Feds/WEF/WHO is smoke and mirrors. Designed to limit our travel and program us to be happy in their 15 minute cities. And own nothing. Until there is a quantum leap in technology, I'm out.
I can see EV's niche in the future, but EV's cost and the infrastructure to support them have a long way to go before the general public will embrace them. Along with the initial cost, wait until the repair bills start to mount on the batteries and other systems. Whatever you save on fuel will probably be offset by the cost of repair.
Personally, I pull larger trailers and need the transmission, brakes and power of a diesel and I certainly don't buy it for fuel economy. It will be a long time before anybody will convince me to buy an EV truck.
If in fact this truck will be driven by a totally electric drivetrain, either by a battery and / or an IC E with generator, it will be interesting for sure.
I love the idea of including an efficiently designed generator in an electric pickup to give the extra range that is needed with towing. I have several friends that have had EVs for 5-10 years and they report very low maintenance costs. Batteries have improved rapidly and many car makers are switching over to LFP batteries which should last 10-15 years (we’ll see). We’ll see how the RAM does with Mikes towing test. I got to test a Rivian 1T with my T@B 320 S Boondock teardrop and it got 1.9 miles / kW hr with a projected range of 246 miles which was way better than i expected. I was going 35-50 mph on mountain roads so I expect the range will drop when towing on the freeway due to higher wind resistance. I hope to repeat the test at freeway speeds and find out. My test did include going up and down some pretty steep hills. What was amazing was the towing power and regenerative braking ability. Most gas powered ICEs can’t come close to the performance of properly designed EVs. When I go over long and steep grades on mountain passes with my ICE truck, it really struggles particularly at high altitude and braking is always a bit dicey coming down long and steep grades. Altitude doesn’t phase an EV. We’ll see if the new RAM really cuts it and if it has the issues others have pointed out but the day I see a properly designed, reasonably priced, fully debugged, reliable, towing vehicle that gets EV mileage on short trips and has 900ish mile range, I for one, would go for it in a heartbeat. How long we will have to wait, is really the issue.
I wonder what 2025 really means in terms of when it will be really be available? We are still waiting to see the Tesla Cyber truck although I did see one in the freeway the other day. :)
What is such a vehicle really good for? How is it better than more available, conventional alternatives?
It's not just the total possible range but the cost of that range. All a manufacturer needs to do is to install a larger fuel tank, more lithium batteries, a generator and so on. But all of these increase the mass of that vehicle, which is the most important factor in determining the fuel cost per mile. A smart buyer will need to consider the purchase price of the vehicle plus the cost to operate it and not just the range, which can always be increased by the manufacturer. If the cost to charge all of those batteries away from home equals the cost of liquid fuel per mile for a comparable, non-EV vehicle, then there's no significant EV advantage other than lower maintenance while contending with much longer fueling times and dramatically higher tire costs.
EV - NO! Hybrid - YES! I don’t see EV’s as realistic as truck power for many years. But hybrids make much more sense. Honda made a Civic hybrid 20+ years ago, which could run all day long at 60 mph at 50+ mpg! A hybrid truck makes much more sense. VW’s diesel Jetta got 55 mpg and was killed because of the mpg scandal but 55 mpg was great! Hybrids are the way to go right now!
Hats off to Ram. It appears that this is the full size truck response to the Ford Maverick Hybrid. In my estimation EV's have limited applications. They are great solutions for urban driving, busses, cabs, etc but really suffer when it comes to payload and cross country driving. Hybrids seen to address this while also reducing overall CO2 and reducing fossil fuel use. Let's see how it actually performs in real testing.
I've wondered if an auto manufacturer was ever going to do this - have a PHEV with a primarily EV drive train rather than what all the other PHEV's have, a primarily ICE drive train. It's certainly not a new idea. Locomotives have been this way for a long, long time.
This is the first electric pickup (partially electric) I would even consider. Right now I drive a leased 2021 RAM 1500 with a 5.7 L Hemi, both as a daily driver and for towing my 5,000# camping trailer. The lease is up in 2025. If the price is not too outlandish compared to another ICE powered truck, it could work for me. Right now, the various EV pickups currently offered are interesting to read about, but too costly and not capable for the type of traveling and camping I want to do. My RAM does fine, as did my previous 2008 F150.
Plug-in Hybrid, now that’s technology. That’s the best way to go. More automakers need to adapt to this technology, in more models. But as long as it is affordable.
The 145kw charging rate is impressive, but what will frequent charging at this rate do to the battery life?
I see only a niche market for these trucks. Maybe when batteries come with a 150k mile/15 year fully transferable guarantee, or a reasonable cost to replace the battery.
I tow, and this is not for me at this time. Even if you could charge @ 30 miles/10 minutes (towing), that's still unacceptable. It's still well over an hour for 200 miles. Every mile you are using gas not only defeats the purpose, it adds a lot of dead weight.
I agree that the plug in hybrids are a good choice however the current administration seems to be going in a different direction. Currently many of the 100% EV’s are sitting on the lots, manufacturers are having trouble selling them at or below cost.
It will be interesting to see how far the Ram truck can tow an average size RV on battery, I won’t get my hopes up that it will be earth shattering.
The idea of the RAM plug-in EV truck is that it can be used on battery only for most daily driving, but switch to gasoline power while towing for any distance. But the problem of reduced EV range while towing is really due to RV manufacturers not caring about aerodynamics. It also happens with ICE trucks when you lose half of your MPG, but it’s much easier to refill a fuel tank compared to EV charging. I think that pure EV trucks are a bad idea right now. but that’s just my educated opinion.
I'm not interested in any of the electric stuff that is being shoved down our throats by the fed. All those EV's that are sitting on dealer lots unsold (as Joseph mentions) are because nobody wants them. And because they are too expensive, even with all of our tax dollars being used for rebates,
Sorry. All this EV stuff forced upon us by the Feds/WEF/WHO is smoke and mirrors. Designed to limit our travel and program us to be happy in their 15 minute cities. And own nothing. Until there is a quantum leap in technology, I'm out.
I can see EV's niche in the future, but EV's cost and the infrastructure to support them have a long way to go before the general public will embrace them. Along with the initial cost, wait until the repair bills start to mount on the batteries and other systems. Whatever you save on fuel will probably be offset by the cost of repair.
Personally, I pull larger trailers and need the transmission, brakes and power of a diesel and I certainly don't buy it for fuel economy. It will be a long time before anybody will convince me to buy an EV truck.
If in fact this truck will be driven by a totally electric drivetrain, either by a battery and / or an IC E with generator, it will be interesting for sure.
That’s what RAM says. You can have your cake and eat it too!
I love the idea of including an efficiently designed generator in an electric pickup to give the extra range that is needed with towing. I have several friends that have had EVs for 5-10 years and they report very low maintenance costs. Batteries have improved rapidly and many car makers are switching over to LFP batteries which should last 10-15 years (we’ll see). We’ll see how the RAM does with Mikes towing test. I got to test a Rivian 1T with my T@B 320 S Boondock teardrop and it got 1.9 miles / kW hr with a projected range of 246 miles which was way better than i expected. I was going 35-50 mph on mountain roads so I expect the range will drop when towing on the freeway due to higher wind resistance. I hope to repeat the test at freeway speeds and find out. My test did include going up and down some pretty steep hills. What was amazing was the towing power and regenerative braking ability. Most gas powered ICEs can’t come close to the performance of properly designed EVs. When I go over long and steep grades on mountain passes with my ICE truck, it really struggles particularly at high altitude and braking is always a bit dicey coming down long and steep grades. Altitude doesn’t phase an EV. We’ll see if the new RAM really cuts it and if it has the issues others have pointed out but the day I see a properly designed, reasonably priced, fully debugged, reliable, towing vehicle that gets EV mileage on short trips and has 900ish mile range, I for one, would go for it in a heartbeat. How long we will have to wait, is really the issue.
I’m already talking to Chrysler/RAM Media about seeing one in the flesh and scheduling a loaner so I can do a real-world towing test.
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I wonder what 2025 really means in terms of when it will be really be available? We are still waiting to see the Tesla Cyber truck although I did see one in the freeway the other day. :)
I’ll try to get more info from RAM Communications on actual availability. I hope it isn’t vaporware... 😁
They should be able to do it and I hope they do!
If it works as advertised, I would consider it. Having to keep my portable generator exercised and serviced is an item I usually forget.
John Nicholls
What is such a vehicle really good for? How is it better than more available, conventional alternatives?
It's not just the total possible range but the cost of that range. All a manufacturer needs to do is to install a larger fuel tank, more lithium batteries, a generator and so on. But all of these increase the mass of that vehicle, which is the most important factor in determining the fuel cost per mile. A smart buyer will need to consider the purchase price of the vehicle plus the cost to operate it and not just the range, which can always be increased by the manufacturer. If the cost to charge all of those batteries away from home equals the cost of liquid fuel per mile for a comparable, non-EV vehicle, then there's no significant EV advantage other than lower maintenance while contending with much longer fueling times and dramatically higher tire costs.
EV - NO! Hybrid - YES! I don’t see EV’s as realistic as truck power for many years. But hybrids make much more sense. Honda made a Civic hybrid 20+ years ago, which could run all day long at 60 mph at 50+ mpg! A hybrid truck makes much more sense. VW’s diesel Jetta got 55 mpg and was killed because of the mpg scandal but 55 mpg was great! Hybrids are the way to go right now!
Hats off to Ram. It appears that this is the full size truck response to the Ford Maverick Hybrid. In my estimation EV's have limited applications. They are great solutions for urban driving, busses, cabs, etc but really suffer when it comes to payload and cross country driving. Hybrids seen to address this while also reducing overall CO2 and reducing fossil fuel use. Let's see how it actually performs in real testing.
If I can get a loaner for a few weeks I’ll test the crap out of it! 😁
I've wondered if an auto manufacturer was ever going to do this - have a PHEV with a primarily EV drive train rather than what all the other PHEV's have, a primarily ICE drive train. It's certainly not a new idea. Locomotives have been this way for a long, long time.
This is the first electric pickup (partially electric) I would even consider. Right now I drive a leased 2021 RAM 1500 with a 5.7 L Hemi, both as a daily driver and for towing my 5,000# camping trailer. The lease is up in 2025. If the price is not too outlandish compared to another ICE powered truck, it could work for me. Right now, the various EV pickups currently offered are interesting to read about, but too costly and not capable for the type of traveling and camping I want to do. My RAM does fine, as did my previous 2008 F150.
Interesting, isn’t it? I’ll know more once I can get my hands on one to try.
Small trailer yes
Home backup absolutely not
Boondocking absolutely
Plug-in Hybrid, now that’s technology. That’s the best way to go. More automakers need to adapt to this technology, in more models. But as long as it is affordable.
The 145kw charging rate is impressive, but what will frequent charging at this rate do to the battery life?
I see only a niche market for these trucks. Maybe when batteries come with a 150k mile/15 year fully transferable guarantee, or a reasonable cost to replace the battery.
I tow, and this is not for me at this time. Even if you could charge @ 30 miles/10 minutes (towing), that's still unacceptable. It's still well over an hour for 200 miles. Every mile you are using gas not only defeats the purpose, it adds a lot of dead weight.
I agree that the plug in hybrids are a good choice however the current administration seems to be going in a different direction. Currently many of the 100% EV’s are sitting on the lots, manufacturers are having trouble selling them at or below cost.
It will be interesting to see how far the Ram truck can tow an average size RV on battery, I won’t get my hopes up that it will be earth shattering.
The idea of the RAM plug-in EV truck is that it can be used on battery only for most daily driving, but switch to gasoline power while towing for any distance. But the problem of reduced EV range while towing is really due to RV manufacturers not caring about aerodynamics. It also happens with ICE trucks when you lose half of your MPG, but it’s much easier to refill a fuel tank compared to EV charging. I think that pure EV trucks are a bad idea right now. but that’s just my educated opinion.