Terms from my insurance company when I started the enroll,ment process are that when insurance chooses to terminate program, I agree to continue a paid subscription to Ting service, unless I cancel and return the device. So free like a puppy that comes with one bag of dog food :-)
Another comment had a Q re data. Per terms I read (yes I’m one of those crazy people that reads all the terms of something before I click Agree), you agree to share your personal and insurance data, and all Ting data it collects, with both your insurance company and Ting. As a software engineer, I know all too well what an internet connected device is capable of collecting from my home network, and I don’t see why Ting needs to know what cars I have and whether I’ve ever replaced a broken windshield.
I’ve seen zero quantitative (or even qualitative) info about frequency of fires caused by this issue, that frankly never entered my consciousness before this post, so I can’t quantify the upside, and have some concerns on the downside.
It looks interesting, but I decided to pass and not press the final Enroll button.
I'm concerned with how much info/data someone else has access to and who they might sell or give that to. Big Brother and all. Any info on that aspect?
I’ve had a Ting for several years and I’ve found it to be quite useful. It has not detected any arcing related faults but it is very good at detecting power and WiFi outages. I’ve been conscious about breaker maintenance and careful about making wiring changes so nothing to report there. I view this as a good thing as it is great insurance against an arching breaker or light switch or a screw through a wall that intermittently shorts out. I have a battery and solar so I put the Ting on a non-backed up circuit so that it will notify me immediately when the power goes out. I believe they say you should have one with each sub panel but if you have a sub panel in an out-building like a pump house by there is none WiFi coverage there, you are out of luck. Bottom line is I think Ting is a good thing. They notify you if your device goes offline and they bug you if it stays offline. If your insurance is paying for it, why not?
It only reads one leg, but high frequency electrical noise from arcing should show up between the neutral and ground conductor in a split-phase system, which will be measurable in either leg. And 240-volt loads with arcing would show up on both legs.
Hey Mike, keep up the great work! I received a Ting sensor from State Farm, my home insurance company two to three years ago. I like what it does and glad I have it in our home. As an RVer, I thought it would be a very valuable asset in an RV, knowing a little about the 120v wiring in most RVs. I contacted Ting and asked about the use of a Ting sensor in an RV. They said that the Ting sensor was not designed for use in an RV but it was something they would look into. I do hope an RV version of the Ting sensor will be available soon.
I do know that connectivity is an issue. In our case, we always camp with electrical hookups and use Starlink for ethernet connectivity. So if and when an RV Ting sensor becomes a reality, I'm on board.
Hey Mike, keep up the great work! I received a Ting sensor from State Farm, my home insurance company two to three years ago. I like what it does and glad I have it in our home. As an RVer, I thought it would be a very valuable asset in an RV, knowing a little about the 120v wiring in most RVs. I contacted Ting and asked about the use of a Ting sensor in an RV. They said that the Ting sensor was not designed for use in an RV but it was something they would look into. I do hope an RV version of the Ting sensor will be available soon.
I do know that connectivity is an issue. In our case, we always camp with electrical hookups and use Starlink for ethernet connectivity. So if and when an RV Ting sensor becomes a reality, I'm on board.
With all the burned power cord plugs and burned terminal blocks in transfer switches we've seen, it seems like an RV would be a perfect use for this device.
That’s what I’m thinking. Even without a WiFi connection it could do a warning light/beeper and send info via a Bluetooth connection to your phone.
I have one. Please correct me if I am wrong but I would think that this does part of what an Arc Fault Breaker does. While it cant shut down the circuit it works on the same principle???????
You are correct. But while an AFCI is a dumb device looking for HF arcing noise, Ting is linked to their server via WiFi so it has more processing power and knows about other electrical problems in the power grid near you.
Terms from my insurance company when I started the enroll,ment process are that when insurance chooses to terminate program, I agree to continue a paid subscription to Ting service, unless I cancel and return the device. So free like a puppy that comes with one bag of dog food :-)
Another comment had a Q re data. Per terms I read (yes I’m one of those crazy people that reads all the terms of something before I click Agree), you agree to share your personal and insurance data, and all Ting data it collects, with both your insurance company and Ting. As a software engineer, I know all too well what an internet connected device is capable of collecting from my home network, and I don’t see why Ting needs to know what cars I have and whether I’ve ever replaced a broken windshield.
I’ve seen zero quantitative (or even qualitative) info about frequency of fires caused by this issue, that frankly never entered my consciousness before this post, so I can’t quantify the upside, and have some concerns on the downside.
It looks interesting, but I decided to pass and not press the final Enroll button.
I'm concerned with how much info/data someone else has access to and who they might sell or give that to. Big Brother and all. Any info on that aspect?
I’ve had a Ting for several years and I’ve found it to be quite useful. It has not detected any arcing related faults but it is very good at detecting power and WiFi outages. I’ve been conscious about breaker maintenance and careful about making wiring changes so nothing to report there. I view this as a good thing as it is great insurance against an arching breaker or light switch or a screw through a wall that intermittently shorts out. I have a battery and solar so I put the Ting on a non-backed up circuit so that it will notify me immediately when the power goes out. I believe they say you should have one with each sub panel but if you have a sub panel in an out-building like a pump house by there is none WiFi coverage there, you are out of luck. Bottom line is I think Ting is a good thing. They notify you if your device goes offline and they bug you if it stays offline. If your insurance is paying for it, why not?
Will it read both legs, or do you need one device on each leg to be fully covered
It only reads one leg, but high frequency electrical noise from arcing should show up between the neutral and ground conductor in a split-phase system, which will be measurable in either leg. And 240-volt loads with arcing would show up on both legs.
Hey Mike, keep up the great work! I received a Ting sensor from State Farm, my home insurance company two to three years ago. I like what it does and glad I have it in our home. As an RVer, I thought it would be a very valuable asset in an RV, knowing a little about the 120v wiring in most RVs. I contacted Ting and asked about the use of a Ting sensor in an RV. They said that the Ting sensor was not designed for use in an RV but it was something they would look into. I do hope an RV version of the Ting sensor will be available soon.
I do know that connectivity is an issue. In our case, we always camp with electrical hookups and use Starlink for ethernet connectivity. So if and when an RV Ting sensor becomes a reality, I'm on board.
Hey Mike, keep up the great work! I received a Ting sensor from State Farm, my home insurance company two to three years ago. I like what it does and glad I have it in our home. As an RVer, I thought it would be a very valuable asset in an RV, knowing a little about the 120v wiring in most RVs. I contacted Ting and asked about the use of a Ting sensor in an RV. They said that the Ting sensor was not designed for use in an RV but it was something they would look into. I do hope an RV version of the Ting sensor will be available soon.
I do know that connectivity is an issue. In our case, we always camp with electrical hookups and use Starlink for ethernet connectivity. So if and when an RV Ting sensor becomes a reality, I'm on board.
With all the burned power cord plugs and burned terminal blocks in transfer switches we've seen, it seems like an RV would be a perfect use for this device.
That’s what I’m thinking. Even without a WiFi connection it could do a warning light/beeper and send info via a Bluetooth connection to your phone.
Thanks for the information
I have one. Please correct me if I am wrong but I would think that this does part of what an Arc Fault Breaker does. While it cant shut down the circuit it works on the same principle???????
You are correct. But while an AFCI is a dumb device looking for HF arcing noise, Ting is linked to their server via WiFi so it has more processing power and knows about other electrical problems in the power grid near you.